John & Phil have a conversation about the film 'Perfect days' about a Tokyo toilet cleaner and find a lot to agree about - and surprisingly 'spiritual' themes. Topics: Ordinary Life as Sacred Practice – A Tokyo toilet cleaner’s repetitive routine becomes a quiet meditation on dignity, care, and simplicity. Presence Over Plot – The film resists conventional narrative, inviting attention to how life is lived rather than what happens. Mindfulness Tested by Disruption – Family visits and subtle losses wobble the calm, revealing the limits of composure when life intrudes. Beauty in Small Things – Sunlight through leaves, cleaning by hand, tending plants, shared smiles—fleeting moments as meaning. Honest Spirituality – Skepticism toward tidy spiritual answers; valuing sincerity, vulnerability, and “honest failure” over pretence.